Tuesday, November 20, 2007

I made enough of a pain of myself that they offered me a slot...

...and I thought of how best to introduce myself... and came up with nothing very interesting. But I thought I'd bring in a blog which might best introduce some of the things I'm most interested in...


I went to the pictures and I saw "Stardust".

The fact is that I’ve developed a bit of a fixation for this movie. I went out and bought the book (and devoured it in 24 hours), I dragged friends along to see it again the following weekend. I’ve been asking myself why it is that a fairytale should have such an impact on a (reasonably) mature man? Why should such a film grab me so tightly?

I have a theory, but first of all some disclaimers. I’m not saying you will like this film. I am not unapologetically advocating it’s moral message. I certainly wouldn’t take kids to see it (even if it is a PG). But it is a darn good fairytale.

And therein lies the answer. Perhaps. CS Lewis often wrote about the importance of myth, and he is thoroughly convincing in his arguments. You see, far from dismissing all myths as mumbo-jumbo, Lewis argues that Christians are to understand their importance.

Not only do most myths and fairy stories reflect many of the elements of the greatest story ever - that’s the gospel, just in case you hadn’t realised - (the dilemma, the hero to rescue, the happily-ever-after), but myth also lifts our imaginations to embrace the supernatural, the cosmic. And I think this may be where my latest little obsession comes in. In a world obsessed with the gritty, the mundane and the natural (and which defends such with a powerful combination of cynicism and postmodern rationalism) the idea of the cosmic, the other, the supernatural often fall on ears and eyes as the quaintest concepts imaginable.

So, argues Lewis, remove myth from our lives, and the idea of an eternal, transcendent God who breaks into human history in the person of His son Jesus Christ, will sound even more implausible to those blinded by the idol of physical rationalism. If we teach each other to imagine the unimaginable, to expand our minds to embrace the concept of the transcendent, and the gospel’s message becomes easier to grasp. There is still a long way to go of course, but myth has played it part. And it is attractive to us because it points our hearts to what they long for.

So a tale of a star falling to earth as a person, who encounters a whole host of adventures (including a cross-dressing sky-flying pirate who catches lightning bolts and sells them for a living) hits my eyes and ears with a freshness that the cynicism and boldly-claimed ‘realism’ of modern living has begun to tarnish. I begin to appreciate again the image-bearer whose imagination is alive enough to create such things and who is unashamed to put it forward in writing.

And ultimately, my thoughts are elevated to the God who made stars (and even though I still doubt if they are people, I may never see them in the same way again) and the billion other wonders of the created order.

But it leaves a question. What do I do as a musician to encourage such expansive thought? As songwriters we ought to be making sure our words are clear and full of truth. Yet, the ancients seemed to make a very clear link between music and the transcendent. How does this work? What does it mean for the musician who is a Christian? Answers on a postcard, because I feel like I’m about to start out on an adventure of my very own.

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Thursday, November 15, 2007

Apparently, Jesus Actually Did Die In His Thirties!

For those who haven't been reading proGnosis for that long or who haven't read every post we write, a while ago I posted on how some old Church leader from the 2nd Century, Irenaeus, proposed that Jesus probably died in his late forties (and had to to save people who are in the latter stage of life). But the main focus of the blog was how we assume that Jesus started ministry at age 30 and died when he was 33, but how we don't actually know that. If you want to read the post, click here.

But after a Greek lesson translating John 2:13-22 of all things, it seems there has been some good research into the question of how old Jesus was. If you want to read the full article, by Andreas Köstenberger, click here. But I'll summarise very briefly now. Jesus was born about 5BC (and there is no year 0, apparently!). John the Baptist started his ministry in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, as Luke 3:1-3 which was 29AD. Jesus started his ministry soon after John the Baptist and Luke tells us further that he was about 30 when he started his ministry. According to the evidence we've seen he would be more accurately, about 33 years old when he actually started ministry (not when he died).

Now for how long he was in ministry. John records three Passovers (and one happens each year) and then the synoptics (Matthew, Mark and Luke) record one more. Four passovers equals three and a half years, and for a Passover to happen on a Friday, Jesus could only have died in the year 30AD or 33AD. So 29AD plus about three and a half years equals 33AD, which makes Jesus about 36 or 37 when he died. Comprendez vous?

The great thing to remember here is that all the evidence in different gospels ties in to other historical records, such as Josephus'. If it was made up, surely they'd get dates confused and the stuff in Luke wouldn't match the records in John nor the historical records nor the recent research stuff about stars and all that. The stuff in the gospels actually happened!

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Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Spiritual Maturity.

So, the last week or so have seem some pretty serious discussion here on prognosis. I for one think it's been great. Great to engage, great to thrash out, great to come out with a reasonably 'united' view on a topic.

But something has been puzzeling me. While we've been dancing around this topic of closessness, and at points made good case that it is misleading terminology for a Biblical concept (maturity), we've not actually tackled what it is we've been dancing round.

Lets go back, way back, to my post on the book Reveal. My real suprise was that it suggested the Church wasn't the best place for 'maturing' the already mature*. Naturally this caused me to ask a few questions:

1) How exactlly do we catogerise the varying levels of maturity in our Church
2) As leaders how do we identify "where people are at"
3) Do we tailor things to differing levels of maturity at all or simply assume one size should fit all.

Martin (Downes) will probably have some thinsg to say about this (he did in the original post, his thoughts are good thoughts check them out) and so should the rest of us, it's a big issue.

Let's dive in and learn from the collective wisdom that is prognosis! (Hopefully we'll learn from scripture rather than the feeble musings we bring)

*I think what was being implied in the book was that Churches weren't good at it, rather than Churches not being the place where it should be done. This isn't saying people outgrow Church, rather how we do Church doesn't grow with people.
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Monday, November 12, 2007

On being close to Christ - the final blog...

In Ephesians chapter 1 we learn about our objective status in Christ. We are chosen, predestined, adopted, redeemed, forgiven and given the Holy Spirit. In Ephesians chapter 2 we learn how this was achieved (verses 4-8....it was achieved by Jesus). Very clear, and we all agree.

However, our personal, subjective experience is of a Roller coaster ride. That is reflected in the Psalms, particularly the Psalms of Lament. But as we have all agreed - the subjective experience never changes the objective truth. It is a merely a subjective experience - one which no honest person can argue against existing. We are living in a fallen world, in fallen bodies with a ‘yet and yet to come tension.'

But when you look at Paul's prayer in Ephesians you see an interesting request. In 1:17 Paul prays for those who stand in the objective truth of union with Christ that ‘you may know him (God) better.' In his second prayer in chapter 3, which was written after the objective truth in chapter 2 he requests that we have Christ dwell in our hearts, that we would grasp more of his love and that we would be filled.

It would seem to me that we can know God more, that we can have Christ dwell in our hearts more, and that according to chapter 4 and 5 we can both grieve the Holy Spirit and be filled by him.

My point? My final point in this series? My third thought on closeness?

Although the phrase ‘closeness to Christ' may be misleading at points, and although our illustrations are all flawed (and praise be to God that we do not interpret Jesus' illustrations/ parables in the same way we interpret each others! Can you imagine treating the parable of the lost sheep in the same way as we treated Mr Raines illustration? ‘Sorry Jesus, but are you saying that God doesn't care for the 99? Naughty boy...').

Ultimately Paul teaches that we can know God more, that Christ can dwell (rule) in our lives more richly and that our experience and standing with the Holy Spirit can change (although we can never be left by the Holy Spirit (1:13 and 14).

Jude encourages us to ‘keep yourself in God's love' (Jude 21...not sure which chapter, you'll have to look it up).

What about Jesus? He says in John 15 that we can ‘remain' in his love if we obey his commands.

You see, nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Jesus (Romans 8) and we all face different experiences of that love (Psalm 42), but we can also be ‘closer' to God within that absolute/ objective status. Don Carson says, ‘God's love is sometimes said to be directed toward his own people in a provisional or conditional way - conditional, that is, on obedience.'

I believe our obedience to Christ can change our closeness (within the objective - and beyond the subjective).

  • If we are bitter and angry we can grieve the Holy Spirit - yet if we feast on the Bible and thirst for him we can be filled (Ephesians 4 and 5)
  • We can have Christ be more at home in our lives when we obey him more (Ephesians 3 and Colossians 3:16 - check out the Message rendering)
  • And we can remain in his love if we follow Christ's commands (John 15)
I want to rejoice in the objective truth of the cross. I want to learn to ignore my subjective feelings. But I need to be aware that me behaviour does matter, and that God's desire is that I obey him.

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Wednesday, November 07, 2007

On being close to Christ. Part 2

Wow, that was a BIG discussion. And this will be a BIG Blog - sorry.

Ok, as the little tortoise I will slowly plod on....

Let me start with a little point in response to the ‘hare' comments.

A little point: It has been pointed out that ‘closeness' is not a Biblical term. Interesting. Anybody own a concordance? Proverbs 18:24 says that there is a ‘friend who sticks CLOSER than a brother.' That's Jesus. That is our objective position in Christ in which we now stand (Romans 5:1,2 and 6:3-11).

To argue against using the term ‘closeness' is like banning the word Trinity. It is not in the Bible but works as handy term to encompass great Biblical teaching. But you are correct in asserting that the term ‘closeness' is not clearly defined within theological speak, and so we need to make sure we are talking about the same thing.

Just to be a pain, I am talking about THREE things (well, I've got to be a pain...). The first was our objective closeness in Christ through our union with Him by His propitiatory death on the cross.


In this blog I want to look at the second sense - subjective closeness to Christ. That is, how we physically feel in relation to Jesus. Now the Bible actually has LOADS to say about this. Just have a read through the book of Psalms and you are encountered with a whole host of differing experiences. Check out Psalm 42:1 - the Psalmist is thirsting for God. Why? Because God feels distant. But then look at Psalm 139 and it is just bursting with the feel of being ‘close' to God.

What about the New Testament? Check out the term ‘near' in Hebrews to see this objective/ subjective issue.

Biblically, we will feel closer to God at some times more than others. However, that NEVER changes the first truth - that we are always close to Christ objectively through the cross.

So, why do we have this subjective change?

  • We live in flesh (AV understanding)
  • We live in a fallen world and all its distractions
  • We may be sinning
  • We may have grieved the Holy Spirit
  • God may be letting us feel that way to help us grow to trust Him more.
One preacher put it like this (maybe Geoff Thomas - but he probably stole / borrowed it). With a new born baby a parent has to touch/ cuddle them every time they cry so that the child knows they are there. However, if that was to continue through into adulthood then the person would be abnormal. Learning to trust the parent is there without them touching/ cuddling you is part of maturity. They need to learn that the parent is there for them even when they do not feel them.

We too need to learn to trust that God is there in the objective sense even when we can't feel him in the subjective sense (See Psalm 43:2 for an example) - that is an aspect of Spiritual maturity.

It is always sad to see a Christian question God's goodness or faithfulness because they cannot subjectively feel Him. They need to look to their objective position in Christ.

But it is also sad to see Christians deny a subjective experience with Christ because they fear all things ‘charismatic'. Just read the original Welsh Methodist, or some of the great reformed Hymn writers. They felt God.

Don't we want to experience both of these? The security of objective closeness and the encouragement of subjective closeness? That is what a true Experiential Biblical Calvinist does.

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Friday, November 02, 2007

Halloween...and why we should let our kids 'Celebrate it'

This year, working in the Church, I noticed a lot more anti-Halloweenism from Christians. I had to ask myself the question...why?

Last Friday I had the joy of working in the local EMW bookshop where to my horror (get it, Halloween, horror, never mind) I saw a stack of pamphlets, "Trick or treat and go straight to hell!" (that wasn't the title but it was the gist). The pamphlets were out for people to take, but what's more worrying is that they were trying to be 'evangelistic'. Apparently crazy middle ages people started Halloween because they thought they needed protection from evil spirits on the 31st of October...therefore dressing up today meant you were either a witch (there was a warning that real witches DO exist today in Britain) or a Satan worshiper. Either way you had to stop and be saved by Jesus.

Oh dear me. How on earth do we think people are going to respond to that! Probably about as well as I do when I receive a free "Watch Tower" with all it's Christmas, Easter and Birthday bashing*. I think it's a little bit sad and quite a lot scary.

Let's please be honest, Halloween is no longer about keeping evil spirits at bay, it's about sweets. Lots and lots of sweets, and some chocolate too, and an excuse to go out and get a little bit drunk (the degrees to which the various aspects to that last statement are true depended upon the individual).

Let's not forget Christmas used to be about celebrating the coming of our God and saviour Jesus Christ, it isn't anymore, not even among most Evangelicals and their families, but that doesn't mean we go around like kill joys telling people who have no idea what it's about not to celebrate it.

All I'm after is a bit of common sense. Most of what happens in terms about boycotting Halloween has got more to do with having a large stick up our asses than it does our religious (and more importantly moral) convictions.

My kids are going to love Halloween because their going to get shed loads of chocolate just like their old man. My responsibility is not to make them weird outcasts in the playground, it's to tell them about Christ (and possibly to make sure to sticks go near my bottom). And if anyone posts with the words "Hallelujah Party" I'm going to punch them in the face!

*Apparently it's evil to celebrate Christmas and Easter because they were brought in to replace Pagan holidays and celebrating birthdays is bad as well because all that's happened is the Earth has gone round the Sun. Obviously I think the first two are ridiculous but with Birthdays I quite agree.
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