How about this for a cat among pigeons… ‘Does Steve Chalke know who Jesus really is?’
Thought I might wade in with a quick blog about the penal substitution thingy. Here’s mine…
As I was preparing a sermon this afternoon in John 5, it struck me how obvious Jesus is when dealing with the religious reformed right of his day about being God. Allow me to explain -
John 5: 19 - 30 - in summary? ‘Jesus is equal, though subserviant, to the Father’. He has authority to give life (both spiritually and physically) and to judge the living and the dead.
‘Nothing new there!’ I hear you cry. And you’d be right, it’s hardly stealth exegesis so far, is it? But what I hadn’t thought about before was how Jesus being all this affected my understanding of the atonement; and how ‘our favourite’ Chalkey cannot in a million years, be at all right.
Firstly, this is his take on the traditional, historical understanding. To him, the idea of penal
substitution is “…a form of cosmic child abuse - a vengeful father, punishing his son for an offence he has not even committed. Understandably, both people inside and outside of the church have found this twisted version of events morally dubious and a huge barrier to faith. Deeper than that, however is that such a construct stands in total contradiction to the statement ‘God is love’. If the cross is a personal act of violence perpetrated by God towards humankind but borne by his son, then it makes a mockery of Jesus’ own teaching to love your enemies and refuse to repay evil with evil. The truth is the cross is a symbol of love. It is a demonstration of just how far God as Father and Jesus as his son are prepared to go to prove that love. The cross is a vivid statement of the powerlessness of love…”
Can you see that he assumes that the traditional reformed view is that Jesus is some sort of bystander in the whole thing? As if in the traditional understanding is that the Father is somehow abusing Jesus by punishing him unfairly for the sins of others.
But according to John 5, Jesus is God. And if Jesus is God, and ‘whatever the Father does the Son does also. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does’ (Vv19,20) then any plan of the Father’s, is a plan of the Son’s too. They delight in each others minds and hearts - and it was both their mutual delight, and importantly, mutual agony for Jesus to go to the cross.
We’ve said on these pages that where SC falls down is his belief in the authority of Scripture; and this might be true. But might the issue also be a Christalogical one?



So Word Alive is coming to Wales in 2008 with a genius new name: “New Word Alive”! And personally I think it’s great! Word Alive previously ran one very good week at Spring Harvest in Skegness. Now they are holding a week long conference at Pwllheli in North Wales .